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Trapeze - Semi Planing

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:52 am
by pe_sta
Hello everyone, I'm new here and already in love with PS... My question is:

The hull speed for a displacement hull of this size is about 5 knots, but from the hull shape of this boat, I would expect it to semi-plan in high wind conditions with the weight positioned as back as possible, and increase that speed limit...
What's your experience on that? Did anyone try to maybe put a trapeze and see if decreasing the heel angle would have any effect on possible planing and speed?

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a beautiful little boat for what it is, and if speed was my first priority I would go for a larger boat, a multi hull, or a 470...
I just want to see if I can take advantage of occasional strong winds to make it go faster.

Cheers

Re: Trapeze - Semi Planing

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:59 am
by John C. Harris
The boat WOULD go faster, but I'm not sure that approach is really consistent with PocketShip's....vibe. Kind of like turbocharging a sport utility vehicle. I guess I'd rather see trapezes on PocketShip than baggy wrinkle, deadeyes, or figureheads...

I and others have sailed up and over 7 knots on the GPS lots of time in the right conditions. The boat seems to be operating at an S/L ratio of higher than the usual 1.34, probably because of the relatively shallow body and clean run aft (more or less inspired by the Snipe racing dinghy I grew up in). I have noted that when sailing in very heavy air with three adults all sitting to windward, the boat is capable of a truly startling burst of speed. (Before witnesses I once paced a Caledonia Yawl upwind.) From the shape of the wake in those conditions it's clearly starting to climb out of purely displacement mode.

This is still a cruising boat with a ballast keel. It'll definitely surf in waves in the right conditions, but it's never going to climb out and plane like a 470. With the spinnaker up and a fairly heavy crew to keep her upright you'll get an exhilarating broad reach.

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Re: Trapeze - Semi Planing

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:05 pm
by mtsailor
I've always wanted a cruising boat with baggy wrinkle. It is unsightly but, "baggy wrinkle" is fun to say. Cheers. Jer aka mtsailor.

Re: Trapeze - Semi Planing

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:28 pm
by pe_sta
Thank you John, very clear answer and actually what I was hoping to hear.
If with proper conditions and crew placement the boat can go just a little faster than hull speed, I don't need more...
Actually, even if you told me that this is impossible, I would still go for it cause it's the 'vibe' of the boat, as you say, that intrigues me (I agree that trapezes wouldn't be very matching...).

I have been looking around for quite some time already, for a small cruiser I could built myself, but didn't find anything that satisfied me.
Just when I started thinking of a design of my own, I came across Pocketship, and that's where the inquiry ended...
It's one of the most beautiful little boats I've seen; one that brings out long daydreaming sessions.

I already ordered the manual to have a look, and start organising my garage. Hope to figure everything out, order the plans and start building soon.